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Deleted 3rd Norm film.

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Summary by Trevor807

Old thread.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

We'll buy a 3rd Norm film later on, or we might find a full movie on kiss cartoon, and any full movie videos that weren't taking down, and we will find the bad stuff, soon, It ain't over yet.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Splash doesn’t care if Norm is a bad franchise. Apparently it’s for kids, so they basically admitted it sucks but they don’t care.

Gabgaberox (talkcontribs)

Because Mike Young cannot absolutley take the slightest bit of critcism.

ItMeansNothing (talkcontribs)

Like Milla Jovovich, except Mike said Norm of the North is for children, while she assumes the Hellboy reboot is gonna be a cult classic.


Classic Lionsgate stars

ItMeansNothing (talkcontribs)

norM OF thE nOrtH IS LittLe ChIlDreN, Not 40 yEAr OlDS IN tHeir baSEMenT

Ivan97Miraheze (talkcontribs)

I bet Mike Young is living in his basement.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Had he done his homework, he’d understand that even kids would hate it.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

I think what they mean is that it's supposed to be bad, like how Baldi's Basics is meant to be bad.

ItMeansNothing (talkcontribs)

It can't be...

Is my TLJ sandbox ready?

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FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

A few months ago I've told you that I was working on my own sandbox for Star Wars: The Last Jedi and asked you about your thoughts on said sandbox, and that you mentioned you will be reviewing it when you're not busy. I've worked extremely hard on the sandbox, adding in pointers consisting of poor writing, atrocious characterization, inconsistencies, plot holes, pointless moments, scenes copied from other films, and other movie-making problems.

And now, I feel that my proposed page for The Last Jedi might be ready, especially with The Rise of Skywalker coming up in more than a week as of writing this. I have one question to ask you: do you think that the sandbox is ready to be turned into a full page on the Awful Movies Wiki? ',:)

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

There's still a lot of it that feels like attempts to pad out the list of negatives for the sake of padding it, some pointers still read like opinions.


And regardless it was still agreed to not make a page on either wiki.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

"There's still a lot of it that feels like attempts to pad out the list of negatives for the sake of padding it, some pointers still read like opinions."

Okay, okay... *deletes some Main Pointers™ while changing two of the other ones into Side Pointers™*

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

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FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

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TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

There have been several times where I see users go out of their way to try to make an article's number of pointers bigger, but bigger isn't always better, more often than not they end up putting nitpicks, opinions, repeat the same point with slightly different wording, and smaller things that aren't that relevant or important for the sake of making that number larger and it just makes the page worse.

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

That pretty much describes Evil Tim's sandbox page in a nutshell (plus beating around the bush with some pointers).

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

Add the mocking tone and repeated name calling.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

With some “gems”:

  • “and so after wasting time on a moronic little "comedy" skit during which the Star Destroyers don't shoot the man who just destroyed Starkiller Base, ace pilot Poe Dameron and his toy robot BB-8 take out the surface cannons on the Dreadnought”
  • ”Then the credits roll and you wonder if you can get your money back.”
  • “Rian Johnson forgetting most of the enemy force actually exists is going to be a recurring theme, by the way.”
  • “Biggestest Star Destroyer Evar™“ (my personal favorite)
  • On the TFA side: “The movie fuelled questioning as to whether J J Abrams knows any way of raising the stakes in a sci-fi movie short of blowing up one or more planets.”

Tim’s sandboxes are like treasure chests, except that instead of treasure there’s failed attempts at comedy mocking.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

But isn't "fuelled" a real word? I wonder why Evil Tim wrote "sic" after it.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

I put that there because I assumed it was a typo.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Ah. Maybe it is not a very used word, it looks like a pretty refined term, it is the first time I heard of it.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

There’s only one “l” in the word usually.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I see.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

About that, I am noticing the comedy mocking is pretty much limited to the plot section, the rest of the page only had a few.

Anyway, let us not waste time making fun of an already mocking piece of text. I was actually going to ask you if you could write a plot section for the page, it doesn't have to be extremely long and mentioning every event of the movie.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

"I was actually going to ask you if you could write a plot section for the page, it doesn't have to be extremely long and mentioning every event of the movie."

Already taken care of.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Where is it?

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)
Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Right, it's in the sandbox.I wonder why I didn't think of it.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

It should not be mocked but it is a good example (if a bit extreme) of why users getting opinionated when writing articles is a bad practice that results in poor quality articles.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Not a very good example, he also wrote that some elements from the movie are excellent and top-notch. Not exactly the behaviour of a hater, there is worst stuff you can find on the internet. Also, the plot is the part of the page which suffers the most from the comedy tone, the rest is sort of allright but still redundant in some parts, with some nitpicks and mocking.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

The positives in that page weren't nearly as much as the negatives, which were stretched out as much as possible to make the list longer and several of them weren't exactly written in a civil manner either which is my main point, and that's not even the mocking points.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

What I am trying to say is that the presence of positives written right makes the page not a complete hater rant. And about the positives, my current version of the page has ten of them, including Porgs.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

"repeat the same point with slightly different wording"

It's one of the main reasons why I put some of the main pointers as side pointers. For example, I've put in the pointer of "pointless lines that tell us how we should react etc." under the Canto Bight one. Speaking of pointless moments, I've just made a main pointer talking about pointless moments, listing Canto Bight and said lines of dialogue.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

There are also pointers that read up like if it was an angry Youtube rant, like pointer 28, it goes of on a completely off topic tangent just to complain and yell. That's the same kind of bad opinionated writing that was on Evil Tim's previous attempt at a sandbox. That "more coming soon" sign also shows the attempt to enlarge the list.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

That was Sausage Party, TyrantRex. For TLJ and TFA I said we were going to respect the deal we had with Evil Tim. but now I doubt he will ever come back so I decided. Both movies will be as average movies here because non toxic SW estimators too regard them as weak installements of the franchise. It doesn't convince me to forbid something because a very toxic portion of the fanbase hates it, nor is the average viewer liking it a good reason to prevent the pages from being on this wiki since lore and characterizations are important in movie series and the average viewer isn't able to complain about them due to not knowing much about them.

I must also point out how previous attempts at having these movies on the sister wiki resulted in very weak pages. Both sandboxes have potential in a decent amount of pointers and I am confident we will be able to make a good TLJ article here.

Trevor, who likes TLJ, helped with the sandbox in the recent months and that's another reason why we can have the movie here. Plus, I am dying to polish pages again after several weeks of semi-activity.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

Also, Lego Star Wars: The Force Awakens was also well receieved by the gamers, and the fans.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Well, that is an another thing despite being based on the movie. That can go to Awesome Games Wiki if that's what you are asking. It wouldn't be the first time a LEGO video game is more entertaining than the movie it is based on. I heard at least one person claiming Lego Pirates of the Carribean made some boring scenes from the movies more entertaining and I am sure someone would say the same about The Lost World and Jurassic Park III.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

Well good.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

In either case the sandbox still needs more cleanup so it doesn't come off as a fan rant. I'm not convinced at all that 28 whole pointers would be something a regular non diehard Star Wars fan would put.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

"I'm not convinced at all that 28 whole pointers would be something a regular non diehard Star Wars fan would put."

Also Star Wars pages with a lot of pointers: The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

To me a bunch of pointers on those pages could be merged or made into sub-pointers, as they're either not that much of an issue or a part of a bigger problem.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

They also need to be condensed so they don't end up being large paragraphs.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I am confident I can make the article work from an understandable point of view.

I won't edit the sandbox though. I will work on it off-line first in a text file and then it will be uploaded here. Not sure if I will protect it as soon as uploaded, though. Maybe I will.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

So, you're saying pages in general here should be short?

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Pages just have to avoid containing walls of text while not being undetailed at the same time. It is pretty hard to manage to do such a thing, harder than most people realize.

TyrantRex (talkcontribs)

But at the same time they need to be civil and not sound like an opinionated rant, something that many users tend to do, not just when they put obnoxious bold red capital letters, but also in the way they word their pointers. Users going out of their way to make pages longer because they dislike the movie/game/show in question is also a bad practice

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

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Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

I'm really sorry to tell you but......even though The Force Awakens, (I'm not saying about the fans) Is actually liked by a lot of people, While it was not hated by the audiences, It had a 6.8/10 user score rating, It was still favorable reviews from the audiences, and by the time it was released, on Rotten Tomatoes, It had a 86% rating on Audience score, But sure, Despite the flaws, Back on FANDOM, The Force Awakens was on Greatest Movies Wiki back on FANDOM before the SJW happened on our wikis and closed down back in 2018, I've saw it. I'm not going to lie.

But sure, Despite the flaws, A lot of audeinces including Me, I had enjoyed TFA, But not TLJ. I'm pretty concerned in this wiki right now.

Oh dear dear... I'm really nervous-worried right now. :(

And you mean, "But now I doubt that if he will ever come back"?

EijiZeBoi (talkcontribs)

I found TLJ meh at best.

Grand Albert (talkcontribs)

He probably means Evil Tim will not come back to these wikias.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Right. At this point he won't return.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Actually, I checked his FANDOM activity out of curiousity and noticed he had breaks from wikis which were even several years long, so who knows, it is still possible he will come back to our wikis.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

Just because something has been recieved well, doesn't mean that it's actually good. Examples of bad movies with good critic ratings include Leaving Neverland and The Last Jedi. Same with Waluigi, though he has a good reputation, he's actually a bad character.

The more you think about something (e.g. a movie, character, song, etc.), you'll see how good/bad it actually is.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

I was talking about the audiences, not the critics.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

Oh.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

That's what I meant to say.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

Um, even though it had a 6.8/10 score, the thing is, it’s gotten more negative reception in recent years after TLJ.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

But that's pretty old news man.

Trevor807 (talkcontribs)

I get that you like it (and trust me, so do I), but the thing is, it’s a minority.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

What is sure about these two movies is that they are very divisive amongst viewers, and that's what the average category is for. Unnamedgoon also agreed in adding them while he was an admin here, too.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

@Masson Thief When do you expect the page to be ready to be posted onto this wiki?

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I already re-elaborated a half of the page yesterday, I still have to review and edit the rest. Overall the page is pretty bulky but I don't feel like removing a lot of pointers since I am afraid we could dismiss criticism.

About the die-hard fan pointers which have been discussed, I condensed them, removed redundant parts or created sub-pointers. Someone could argue that only a die-hard Star Wars fan could list errors in the ships or space physics and while that could be true, I think it wouldn't be right to ignore this criticism only because the average viewer probably doesn't care about them.

Not only we can't be sure of it, but I believe that since Star Wars is also sci fi, the technology and physics must always be credible, I am pretty sure that's how the franchise is supposed to work.

I think the page will be uploaded near the end of this week or Monday at worst. In the meantime you and Trevor should try to come up with some good qualities for the page.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

"In the meantime you and Trevor should try to come up with some good qualities for the page."

sigh Maybe some. However, I'm going to be on Christmas break, and my family has banned me from the computer at home (if you didn't know, I use a computer at school, and those are two main reasons why I've stopped editing on the weekends for now). Have a good Christmas break, Masson Thief...

EDIT: My family has now unbanned me from the computer at home, but I'm still going to be a little busy.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I doubt I will have a Christmas break from the wikis but thanks.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

One other thing, inconcistencies in this movie and between this movie and the prequel have been noted pretty much everywhere on the internet. This is an important flaw in movies and the page has a lot of material about them. Can't remove this type of criticism from the page due to how meaningful it is.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)

Are the Characters wikis ours? Also is DMSW ours because FreezingTNT never said anything about asking for permission to make our own versions of both wikis.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Technically the characters wikis are... so-so regarding them belonging to our network. They were created by a user who was indeed on of our userbase but I think he retired; he also nominated the FANDOM version as the official Great Characters Wiki.

Delightful Music and Songs on Miraheze is ours, it has several of our users as admins as you can see from this link https://delightfulmusicandsongs.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)

Ok. Also look at my comment on the other post that shows the current outline so far.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)

Because we can actually adopt Horrible Music and Songs Wiki since there are no active admins there.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I see. We will need to check the requirements for adopting wikis on Miraheze.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)

Ok

The Secret of NIMH 2: Timmy to the Rescue

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Summary by DeciduousWater534

He retired, so no need for this topic to remain active.

Alexkrzywicki1 (talkcontribs)

The film is bad, and the real question is why isn't it on the wiki anymore.

Alexkrzywicki1 (talkcontribs)

At least everyone knows that it's a horrible and terrible sequel.

Summary by DeciduousWater534

He's retired, so no need for this topic to remain active.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)

I feel like we should make the Miraheze version of Great Characters Wiki (soon to be known as Incredible Characters Wiki) as the official version, because the Reception Wikis cut their ties with FANDOM a long time ago, and all of the other Reception Wikis moved here. The FANDOM version can stay, but it won't be a part of the core network and will be a side wiki.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Yes, that's something we need to think about.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)

Yeah.

So I take it that the Reception Wikis we had on FANDOM were just the movies wikis, the games wikis, the tv shows wikis, and the characters wikis, idk about any of the others.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

There were also the music wikis and the book wikis, I don't think new wikis have been created here on Miraheze.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)

Also I forgot about Best Websites Wiki, which is also abandoned.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)
Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)

And that one also was made in 2018, so that one might also be an original.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)
Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Oh no, that one is a different project, founded by one of our users. It may look abandoned but the founder still edits it once in a while.

Blubabluba9990 (talkcontribs)

ok.

Alexkrzywicki1 (talkcontribs)

I don't know if you notice, but everyone's allowed to use Why He's/She's/They're Great on the wiki.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

It's good too see you again, and also, importantly, hope you had a Happy New Year in 2021.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Well, it is a little too soon to tell :) But I think my health is improving since last year.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

That's alright. :|

And more importantly, you're welcome for your talk! :D

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Of course. I am glad I still found you here.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

All day long, and I'm still okay.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

Oh, yeah!

Masson Thief, I was wondering if episodes of SpongeBob SquarePants can be allowed back onto Terrible TV Shows Wiki/Terrible Series & Episodes Wiki? You'll probably say "no" at first, but have it so only specific episodes are allowed on the wiki to avoid the flooding as it had happened before.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Prepare a few in your sandbox and we will take a look at them, the problem with the old pages was that they all had the same reasons (flanderization, mean-spiritedness, etc.) not that there were too many episodes pages of SpongeBob; let's see if you can do better. Remember, keep them in your sandbox as we are just trying to see if good pages about those episodes can be actually written.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

I also have been planning to move The Lion King II: Simba's Pride from GMW to AMW, even prepared a blog for what an article here for Simba's Pride would look like, but I did not post it here yet because I felt I needed your permission as the film is currently on GMW. I was wondering if it can be moved here, similar to Ralph Breaks the Internet and Mulan (2020)?

I also intend to have The Lion King 1½ be added here, it has a positive reception and I was planning to post it on GMW but changed my mind upon coming across some rants of the movie, made a similar blog as well; I felt I needed your permission as we had to get your permission for The Last Jedi to have an article here.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I think the new page for Simba's Pride is more detailed than the Greatest Movies Wiki's one, it should be posted here.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Same for The Lion King 1½.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Welcome back, Masson Thief.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Thanks SuperStreetKombat. I don't think I know you, did you join after I temporarily retired?

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

Yes, I did. It's nice to meet you.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

I am pleased to meet you as well. I saw you are an admin on the gaming wikis now, if you'll do a good job you could be an admin on the movies wikis as well, if you are interested.

SuperStreetKombat (talkcontribs)

That's something to think about.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

@FreezingTNT I'll take a look at those tomorrow, promise.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

He joined on August the 25, 2020, just two months before you took a break from the site.

I just look on the Global account information about him. In other words, we had good friends with each other.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Nice.

DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)

Attention everyone. NEVER GIVE UP AND NEVER GIVE IN TO DESPAIR!

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Indeed. Every user who is only capable of insulting the wikis while claiming they are full of drama are part of the problem to me. They think that only because they think they are right then they can call our sites what they want even if they are part of them, and their posts just have the effect of making things even more troublesome than how they can ever be.

I got a message to you.

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Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

Masson, I know you're in there, I just want to say is...

...Come back, please, we're still in big trouble in our family right now, and right now, we're having alot of crisis about the whole family right now, I hope you come back once the virus toned down a little. :(

DarkMatterMan4500 (talkcontribs)

Hopefully he'll return.

Stephenfisher2001 (talkcontribs)

Agreed, let's wait if he response to us.

FreezingTNT (talkcontribs)

If Masson Thief permanently retires, he needs a successor to take his place as the head of the core wikis... @Trevor807

DeciduousWater534 (talkcontribs)

I'm currently taking his place as the manager of the wikis while he's out, so if he retires permanently, I'll most likely remain in my current position.

Summary by Trevor807

This is an old thread.

Cpend7 (talkcontribs)

Greetings there Masson which I was going to possibly make the page of this movie that I've seen was Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi, which it was alight but no that good, that is until when I saw the MisAnthro Pony's The Last Jedi And The Fall Of Star Wars where he found the flaws of the movie with five parts (including the 4.5) like subplots, characters, forced humor, destroyed internal consistency like Admiral Amilyn Holdo used the light-speed at the First Order ship and the infamous development where SJW is going to destroy the most popular series.

I really understand that The Last Jedi isn't work to add on Awful Movies, depending you accept or disagreed I'll won't judged at your opinion.

Masson Thief (talkcontribs)

Actually, a page about that movie has already been greenlighted several months ago and it is now currently a work in progress. The deal is that it is going to be added with The Force Awakens when they will both be ready, this way hoping to ease possible backlash by people who like a