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Terminator: Dark Fate

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The fact that it got beat out by a supervillain origin story that had the same rating as the movie effectively decided the dark fate of the franchise: deserving to forever be in the black hole that other bad science-fiction franchises reside in.
Genre: Science-fiction
Action
Directed By: Tim Miller
Produced By: James Cameron
David Ellison
Written By: David S. Goyer
Justin Rhodes
Billy Ray
Starring: Linda Hamilton
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mackenzie Davis
Natalia Reyes
Gabriel Luna
Diego Boneta
Cinematography: Ken Seng
Distributed By: Paramount Pictures (North America)
Tencent Pictures (China)
20th Century Fox (International)
Runtime: 128 minutes
Country: United States
Language: English
Budget: $185–196 million
Box Office: $261.1 million
Franchise: Terminator
Prequel: Terminator 2: Judgment Day (canonically)
Terminator Genisys (release date)
Sequel: Terminator Genisys (canonically)


Terminator: Dark Fate is a 2019 American science fiction action film directed by Tim Miller. It is the sixth installment in the Terminator franchise and the direct sequel to The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day, while disregarding T2-3D: Battle Across Time, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, Terminator Salvation, Terminator Genisys, and the television series Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles as occurring in alternate timelines. The film was released in the UK on October 23, 2019, and was released on November 1, 2019, by Paramount Pictures in North America, Tencent Pictures in China, and 20th Century Fox (through Buena Vista International) outside of North America and China.

The film is notable for being the first installment in the Terminator series since Judgment Day to have James Cameron involved.

Plot

Terminator: Dark Fate takes place twenty-five years after Terminator 2: Judgment Day. In Mexico City, a newly modified liquid Terminator -- the Rev-9 model -- arrives from the future to kill a young factory worker named Dani Ramos. Also sent back in time is Grace, a hybrid cyborg human who must protect Ramos from the seemingly indestructible robotic assassin. But the two women soon find some much-needed help from a pair of unexpected allies -- seasoned warrior Sarah Connor and the T-800 Terminator.

Bad Qualities

  1. Although Rise of the Machines isn't as good of a follow up to Terminator 2: Judgement Day, this film (while having improvements that are not shown in the five Terminator movies) isn't exactly any better than the previous three films, as the story is a complete mess and plot holes are common. Not helping matters is that the Terminator franchise is suffering from executive producer Gale Ann Hurd's decision to leave after Rise of the Machines didn't get quite as much praise.
    • Perhaps the biggest flaw of the story is the fact that John Connor is killed almost immediately at the beginning, which undermines the entirety of Judgment Day.
      • Considering how important of a character he was, the way he gets killed is incredibly silly and anti-climactic. What's more, Salvation previously had its ending re-shot after that film's producers realized that fans would never accept John being killed, meaning that the writers of this movie should have known that this plot twist wouldn't go down well.
      • Director Tim Miller claims that the reason John Connor was killed off is that he doesn't believe in stories about the "Chosen One" and felt that it would make the story stronger, except the "Chosen One" is exactly what Dani is. As a result, this really seems like John was killed off for the sole reason of putting in a female lead.
      • Similarly, producer James Cameron claimed that the idea was to explore the unintended consequences of the events of Judgment Day, by revealing that preventing the Skynet timeline meant that John was no longer as important for the future and could now be killed without dooming humanity. And while that actually is an interesting concept, it fails in execution because it happens too quickly for the movie to properly set up the twist.
      • Bottom line is, the decision to kill off John Connor comes across as a huge middle finger to the franchise and the fans. It practically renders the first two movies pointless and is the equivalent of Jurassic Park 3 killing off the T-rex so the Spinosaurus could get the spotlight, but even that's being generous.
    • The time-traveling plot device returns, but is handled so poorly that it makes the story confusing.
    • Carl, the T-800 that helps the protagonists, displays sentience even though Terminators are described in the first film as not feeling pity, remorse, or fear. It is also never explained how Carl gained sentience or why he had a change of heart.
      • He is also a comic relief, which feels very out-of-character for a powerful machine designed for killing.
      • If Terminators could change their behavior by themselves, then this makes Model 101's sacrifice in Terminator 2: Judgment Day pointless.
    • It is revealed that Sarah has been hunting and destroying Terminators by herself, even though destroying one, even with multiple people, has proven extremely difficult.
    • How did Sarah know exactly where Dani, Grace, and Rev-9 were when they were fighting on the highway?
    • Sarah has connections to a military base that supplies her with weapons to destroy Terminators. It is never explained how Sarah knows those people or why they give her their military weapons.
    • Rev-9 has the ability to impersonate anyone, but almost never uses the ability against the protagonists.
  2. Much of the plot is rehashed from previous Terminator films, especially Terminator 2: Judgment Day. As a result, the film feels like nostalgia-pandering.
    • On that topic, many shots are nearly identical to shots from previous films, which makes the film feel even less original.
    • Even the characters are far too similar to ones from previous installments, particularly:
      • Dani is essentially a female version of John Connor, as both characters are pursued by a Terminator and they also play an important role in stopping the machines. Thus, killing John Connor off and replacing him feels very forced and pointless.
      • Legion is basically another Skynet that has no characteristics to distinguish the two. The same issue occurred in Genisys.
      • Grace is essentially a female version of Model 101, with the only difference between the two is that Grace is a cyborg rather than a full-on machine.
      • Aside from the ability to become two different beings, Rev-9 has no other stand-out qualities from the previous Terminator antagonists.
  3. In addition to being too similar to previous characters, the newer characters are forgettable, as we never really get to know who they are.
    • This problem is most visible with Dani, as her personality is like that of a stereotypical teenage girl.
  4. Several action scenes heavily rely on computer-generated imagery and other special effects, and as a result, they feel fake when compared to action scenes in the first two films, which used much less special effects.
  5. The pacing around the middle of the film is slow, which is out of place with the rest of the film's fast pace.
  6. This film was intended to focus mainly on the new characters and move on from the old characters, yet the movie heavily panders to nostalgia, as mentioned above.
    • As a result, newcomers to the franchise who have no interest in the first two films will most likely have to watch those films to fully understand what is going on.
  7. While it is nice to see Sarah Connor return and Arnold Schwarzenegger as another Terminator return, it feels like they were only there to make older fans happy, as they don't really do anything important during the film.
  8. The thriller elements present in the previous films, particularly the first two films, are absent here.
  9. Laughable dialogue, particularly Dani's announcement that she is willing to stand up and fight Rev-9.
  10. While it is awesome to see Sarah Connor still kicking ass and taking names, she seems unrealistically overpowered. She is in her sixties and yet that doesn't seem to slow her down at all.
  11. The film itself seems almost like a feminist propaganda film, as it makes all the female characters act like males with no reason to justify why they act like that. This is also a reason why Dani replaced John Connor, just to promote an ideology and nothing more.
    • Tim Miller basically admitted this, saying "If you're at all enlightened, she'll play like gangbusters. If you're a closet misogynist, she'll scare the fuck out of you, because she's tough and strong but very feminine. We did not trade certain gender traits for others; she's just very strong, and that frightens some dudes... I don't give a fuck."
  12. Sequel baiting: Sarah and Dani are ready for next mission, but due to box office performance, this was never resolved.

Good Qualities

  1. Despite making the action scenes feel fake, the visual effects are pretty good, especially the de-aging effects for Sarah, John Connor, and "Carl".
  2. The action scenes can still be fun to watch despite feeling fake as mentioned above.
  3. The film ignores the events of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, Terminator Salvation, and Terminator Genisys, the three previous Terminator films. While the former had a decent reception, it had almost no connection to its prequel, while the latter two were met with mostly negative reception.
  4. Good acting, and it's well improved from terrible Terminator movies, especially from Linda Hamilton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Mackenzie Davis.
  5. Sarah Connor is still a badass, and very likable character as always, as well as Carl even if his behavior causes some plot holes.
    • In addition, Carl is a fairly funny character who does a good job at providing comic relief.
  6. The soundtrack composed by Tom Holkenborg is well done.
  7. Like other Terminator movies, the famous quote "I'll be back." is used once again.
  8. The first and last thirds act are well paced.

Reception

Despite Terminator: Dark Fate received mixed-to-positive reviews from critics, with many deeming it a return to form for the series and praised the cast and action scenes, although they were polarized by its narrative choices, it was heavily criticized by fans of the franchise, with the most criticized aspect being John Connor's poorly-handled death. On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has a critic approval rating of 70% with an average rating of 6.22/10 and it reads, "Terminator: Dark Fate represents a significant upgrade over its immediate predecessors, even if it lacks the thrilling firepower of the franchise's best installments.", while the audience approval rating was an 82% with an average rating of 4.13/5. On Metacritic, the film's scores were much lower, with a Metascore of 54/100, and a user score of 4.1/10. On IMDb and Letterboxd, the film has an average score of 6.3/10 and 2.8/5 respectively.

Chris Stuckmann gave the film a C, stating the film is decent as an action movie, but awful as a Terminator film. Angry Joe had similar feelings, as he gave the film an 8/10 by itself, but a 3/10 when compared to Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Edward Furlong, who portrayed John Connor in Judgment Day, was especially furious over how the death of his character in the movie was portrayed. Linda Hamilton also said: "This is going to upset a lot of people and a lot of the fan base who just thinks that it has to remain true to the first two stories. The whole concept of Terminator, that John Connor is the hope for the future of mankind and then to have him cut down like that. I think it's going to upset a lot of people," and also voiced her opinion that body doubles Brett Azar and Maddy Curley did not portray the scene realistically enough.

Box office

Terminator: Dark Fate was considered a box office bomb, grossing $261 million against an overall budget of $185–196 million.[1] causing Paramount and Skydance lost around $100-130 million and any plans for any future Terminator films were cancelled, most likely killing the franchise, and the fact that it was overshadowed for highly anticipated films at the box office such as JokerGMW.[2]

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Trivia

  • In a January 2020 interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Linda Hamilton stated that she would be happy to not return for another Terminator film.[3]
  • This was 20th Century Fox and Tencent Pictures first film to produced by Skydance Media.

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Comments


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ItMeansNothing

9 months ago
Score 5

RIP GMW page


At least this one isn't IT'S FEMINAZI SJW PROPAGANDA
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HellLord

9 months ago
Score 1
Yeah I know :(
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Declan Kearns

9 months ago
Score 3
This is easily the Alien 3 and The Last Jedi of the Terminator franchise. Even Terminator Salvation did its own thing. This movie can go to hell.
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Stephenfisher2001

9 months ago
Score 2
Yep. :)
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ItMeansNothing

9 months ago
Score 2
After Hellboy and Terminator, just expect that any reboot to a classic movie will suck.
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MeMeGuYWasLost

9 months ago
Score 0
You do have a point.
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Sofaking we todd it

9 months ago
Score 1
Everyone say this with me now: "The story concluded at T2 Judgement Day."
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Robertoiglesias271

9 months ago
Score 0
nah
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Mr Game

9 months ago
Score 3
Wasn't this on GMW? I'm very confused...
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ACoolBlaze5

9 months ago
Score 0
It was, but now it isn't
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HellLord

9 months ago
Score 0
T-T
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EnnardTrap1987

9 months ago
Score 4

If this was a Date movie..

Would it be titled; Terminator: Dark Date?
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DeciduousWater534

9 months ago
Score 8
If it was a romantic-comedy film, I bet it would be called Terminator: Dork Date.
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Spongebuff1991

9 months ago
Score 2
I was smart to avoid that.
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Stephenfisher2001

9 months ago
Score 6
Spongebuff, I would apologize to put Dark Fate on Greatest Movies Wiki. I was really wrong. :(
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Spongebuff1991

9 months ago
Score 4
No need to apologize, Stephenfisher2001. We can make mistakes.
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Spongebuff1991

9 months ago
Score 0
I will do that one day down the road.
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Stephenfisher2001

9 months ago
Score 4

Guess what? You better off watch Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. Why?

Because John Conner lives in the original third movie, Rise of the Machines. Best of all, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines is better than Dark Fate, because John is alive, and he didn't died in Rise of the Machines.
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Xian Pu

9 months ago
Score 0
In retrospect, I think The Sarah Connor Chronicles really screwed things up for the franchise. Don't get me wrong, it's a good series, but I think it got the stupid studio execs to think "Hey, people like this series about Sarah, they liked the two movies that Sarah was in, but they didn't like the two movies that just focused on John so much. Quick, let's make the movies focus on Sarah again!"
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TheOddKid2568

9 months ago
Score 3
TBH, I think this movie is better off being on this wiki than GMW because it would've got a lot of backlash from crazy anti-SJWs if the movie remained on the other wiki. I doubt that any crazy anti-SJWs were aware that the movie was on GMW, but still. Just saying.
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Spongebuff1991

9 months ago
Score 0
Agreed!
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Spongebuff1991

9 months ago
Score 0
Also, I do not blame Linda Hamilton for saying no to future Terminator films.
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S012891

8 months ago
Score 0
My dad doesn’t want to see Captain Marvel because of the misunderstood controversy that Brie didn’t want to have white people seeing the movie. Yet, rather watch this along with Men In Black: International even though those have some controversial surroundings around it. Though to be fair James Cameron does return to produce this movie.
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CaptainJ

8 months ago
Score 0
Although I haven't seen this movie (I thought it would be interesting) and I am not a fan of Terminator, I'm kinda bummed to see this move from GMW to this wiki instead. We thought it was good but it actually sucks a bit and also a bummer that it possibly ended the terminator series for good.
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Spongebuff1991

7 months ago
Score 0
We do not need anymore or want anymore. To quote YouTuber ramboraph4life, "Sometimes, just let a franchise rest in peace."
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Robertoiglesias271

7 months ago
Score 0
I actually like this film tbh. Just wondering, is it possible to have a movie be on both wiki's?
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Spongebuff1991

one day 5 hours 2 minutes ago
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No.
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ACoolBlaze5

7 months ago
Score 4

Tim Miller directed this.


THE DIRECTOR OF DEADPOOL
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LeroyManTheFirst

7 months ago
Score 1
lol
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Xian Pu

4 months ago
Score 0
In retrospect, the fact that he wasn't invited back for Deadpool 2 pretty much tells you that Miller had nothing to do with how well the first one turned out, and that Ryan Reynolds was the real genius at work.
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LeroyManTheFirst

7 months ago
Score 2
Dark Fate? More like Dark Fake!
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Dragos133

6 months ago
Score 1
Easily the most forgettable, lackluster and disappointing movie of 2019. The Terminator franchise is ruined and now nobody is going to save it.
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LancedSoul

6 months ago
Score 4

At least it's better than Dark Phoenix.

But hey it's just my opinion.
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Jeva

6 months ago
Score 0
Agree
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Legofan3

6 months ago
Score 0
John's death could work if it was later in the film and it wasn't as rushed. but this.. is just.. lazy.
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TanReviewer

6 months ago
Score -3
THIS WAS NOT BAD AT ALL, THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD FILM!!!!!!!
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HellLord

6 months ago
Score 1
Calm down mate, we have something called opinions
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BlueSapphire200

6 months ago
Score 1
The worst thing about this movie that they replaced John Connor with a bland female protagonist, just to pander to SJWs. This act reminds me of what is happening nowadays in the comic book industry.
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LA2002

5 months ago
Score 0

I liked this film, but I acknowledge its flaws.

The franchise definitely needed something a little better.
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DatCoolRedstoneGuy Est. 2004

5 months ago
Score 0
This film is good, but the flaws officially ruined it
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KnighTeen87

4 months ago
Score 0
I would never imagined that I'd see three women argue over everyting in a Terminator movie. Thanx to Dark Fate, I could. It's the ultimate bickering movie.
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The Adaptation Expert

3 months ago
Score 0
I'd rather watch Salvation a million times than see this embarassment. Even Rev-9 felt like joke version of T-1000
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Demon Horse

3 months ago
Score 0
This is the only Terminator movie that I can't get into. It gets worse every time I rewatch it.
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HETMAN

3 months ago
Score 1
Just watch the first 2 movies
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Robertoiglesias271

one month ago
Score 0

This is my 3rd favorite Terminator film, and one that I'm mostly satisfied with. "The fact that it got beat out by a supervillain origin story that had the same rating as the movie effectively decided the dark fate of the franchise: deserving to forever be in the black hole that other bad science-fiction franchises reside in."

Ok, what movie are you referring to and can you please shorten that?
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MrAnonymous

18 days ago
Score 0

John Connor: (Dies)


Everyone: (Loses their mind)
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Robertoiglesias271

18 days ago
Score 0
Except me

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